Virily is an ad-driven site. What does mean? It means that Google Ad Sense places ads on the page (normally in one or two locations). The views Virily gets is what Google ad-sense pays on. A significant drop in views will result in a revenue drop. Or for those who like big-companies are bag and always wrong conspiracy theories if Google changes the rate of payment for views revenue goes down. Virily has a monthly cost as a site. That is important to remember. Whatever that number is (and frankly I won’t even hazard a guess) they need to get that amount of revenue from Google to pay Authors and of course pay for the actual site. That revenue stream fluctuates. I suspect right now is its peak.
I did want to point out that I am not justifying the silence of the admin team. Nor am I justifying the issues the site has. A few years ago Niume died. It was a painful situation, and many of the writers here on Virily were on Niume. Niume had many more problems initially than Virily did, and honestly, even in a much better period for click pay, they couldn’t make money. I made friends with one of the Niume Admins and was privy to the issues they were experiencing before the site died. I promised Albert that given a day to recharge I would answer his question. Should I be worried was his question if I may think I am going to expand Albert’s question a little? Should be worried that Virily is going to fail soon.
The easy answer to that question is I don’t think so. I am worried that the site has fewer views. I am also worried that many authors are getting discouraged. I understand why authors are getting frustrated. I continue to notify the admin team, as many of you do. I haven’t gotten communication from them since day 18 of the last crisis. I do know that there are two teams, the admin that does moderation and the IT team that runs and manages the site.
To answer Albert’s question and end this Virily ramble I have consulted with a very good friend of mine for making decisions. Yes, I have taken the Magic Eight off my desk. I picked it up and shook as the directions say to do before asking a question;
Then I asked, “should we be worried about Virily?”
The eight returned with “It depends.”
Wow! There is trouble in 7th Heaven. Should we worry? Worrying will not solve the problem, would it? When things do not work my way, I say, que sera, sera and leave it be ?
my mom always says “My Pen Rai” that she learned in Thailand. It is the same as whatever will be will be!
I promote my own posts as a rule, and also the posts I like, on Twitter and Facebook. I also click and watch ads regularly, (I run Adsense on 58 blog sites and know clicks generate revenue). Starting with wikinut.com I have written thousands of posts in many places, (Google Tranquilpen) and you will find 42,500 hits and one of my Blogger sites has 50,000 visits. No vanity intended! But I have been doing this for a while now and my philosophy is simple, the show ain’t over till the fat lady sings. Which reminds me, I have an excerpt right here;
The Show Aint Over, Till The Fat Lady Sings
I critiqued a piece once and it was about the value of Supportive Friends and how much they mean in life.
I started it like this: “In the story of life, there are so many plot-places one’s story could legitimately go. I wrote, that I loved that it had gone in what I felt was the most plausible direction our young friend’s life story had gone.
So often people live in fear of reprisal or reproach they don’t know and don’t understand. So often, the enemy quickest to defeat us, IS us.
There are times where no one around you can be trusted, and other times still, where you have to know yourself well enough to find the people you can trust.
Along your way, you will seldom see the good you’ve done, but if you habitually do good things, others will notice and also remember. So, until we get there, “the show ain’t over till the fat lady sings.”
I find it very interesting, the reality of promotion. I have in the past written for various professional writing sites (where you have to be a lot more careful about grammar and spelling than I am here).
I published a light technology piece once called “The Pizza Delivery Drone.” Within a month it had more than 4 million views.
The reality of things being what they are, tech posts don’t do as well normally. But I do often wonder what drives posts here on Virily. Ergo my taking the time for the movers project.
I just recently learned about this site, I think I will give it a try.
I am glad to hear that- we have a wonderful community here!
I am you here but I already like it here.
glad to hear that – it is a fun place to share!
I have written for many revenue sharing sites since 2008/9. My best ones were Helium.com and Suite101.com. I joined Hubpages in 2010/11. I started earning some good money there from 2017. I persevered. We shouldn’t give up though there are some issues facing us here and Admins lack of communicating with its users. I have never experienced the issues faced here on the site’s I’d written for.
There is the possibility it will survive for long. It isn’t making a lot of profit but it takes time before it will begin realising it.
I’m not sure what the percentage split between users and Virily is
i suspect the split is irrelevant, overall. It won’t change if we know it, or don’t know it.
I do agree with you about not giving up. We just also need to be aware of the risk.
Interesting post, not sure what I do if it helps Virily…
I am sure it does. Other users love your posts, you generate views and each view (just 1 or more) helps Virily!
Thanks so much Doc, I hope so. Right now the notifications have piled up and will try to catch up with those…
I have had that problem many times!
I just think that whether we are worried or not, the site will stay or close down if the admin team decides it to be that way. There are several sites I joined in the past few years were trusting and promising for quite some time, but out of a sudden, they just closed down. I think some of the members here remember Bubblews too. Perhaps due to these experiences, I learned not to worry and just proceed with what I can do.
Of course, it would be good if Virily team can at least give us some updates of the site. 🙂
well the good news is Virily has paid for over 3 years!
That is the longest of any site I’ve been a part of.
i do wish the admin team would communicate more as well!
I loved Niume. It was very hard to see it disappear, this is the reason I did not join Virily years ago.
i missed easy access to your post for that time. I am so glad you are here now!
Thanks. I am going to click advertisements in Virily to help the site.
you are a good egg pal!
I am a veteran of many struggling and now non-existent sites but I always persevered to the bitter end. Having troubles landing steady online writing jobs at this moment I greatly rely on Virily and a couple of other sites that provide an outlet for my creativity and relax my inner soul and I can write and soar…
Then let’s rally the committee and prepare to band together!
And make our own parade, Doc. Shall we have Barbara singing before the parade passes by?
of course we shall and of course roasted chestnuts for all
the outcome is uncertain…
Even my cracked 8 ball gave the same answer.
really the only answer you can trust
i am afraid the bells now are ringing.
dinner bells or warning bells?
ask not for whom the bell tolls.
the bell tolls for thee.
I don’t know at this point. I dropped my eight ball.
the bell can toll for me all day long, it’s not my supervisor…
:-0 I wonder if there is a person supervised by the bell tolling.
they used to call you to church, signal the end of working day, etc…
My first career was a job between the bells. Clutching a coffee cup to keep the warmth of the world with me, for 8 hours of separation.
sounds brutal. hope it didn’t last long
I was a teacher for 7 years.
🙂 I miss the kids. But not much else!.
it only got worse for teachers
i actually started a teaching group many years ago (called the Dead Teachers Society after the movie Dead Poets Society).
we had 15000 members online at one point.
I’ve heard some horror stories about what they do to teachers that makes my scariest art look like my little pony
i was called dad more than my name probably a factor of 2 to 1. I watched kids struggle to figure out where they were in life, in 2nd grade.
wow. that’s a tough row to hoe…
my first year the 30-year first-grade teacher told me I had one job. 22 kids she said, 18 of them failed the state test. My job was to manage all of them into special ed (back then you couldn’t do a placement until 3rd grade).
22 kids took the 2nd-grade test in my class.
22 kids passed.
I suppose no one can predict what will happen. We really have (we have) a lot of problems lately. Not all members seem to be as persistent as we are some. At the first problem, they stop working. I hope everything goes well and we can hang out for a long time.
We will eventually wander to a new place, or Virily will bounce back and rise again!
I think that there are some core problems that should be fixed, but I like the site and the idea behind it. Hopefully, it will will last and develop in the future.
I agree. I wish also that we could resolve some of the other tech issues!
If corrections tell me no worries or Virily will or Viriya won’t, dear friend …. I’m sorry for all the friends I’ve met here …. hope for the best – we’ll be together for a while
we will continue as a community. Albert, Ellie and others moved to Virily from Niume. we will continue to keep our community going!
That makes me very happy, dear friend
🙂 community is the people and that community will live on!!!
Let us hope for the best, my friend
I promise that the community that you are a part of will continue. You have my word!
That makes me very happy, dear friend
Sometimes the most we can do is give hope to others!
Thank you for your answer, Doc! I am sure that you are a person who always keeps promises and is responsible. You know the reason why I question that, maybe there are also many other users here because Virily often has problems and the admin who has been kept silent for a long time.
Talking about this kind of platform, like the two previous platforms where I was a user before they closed; Tsu & Niume, (where I have never received payment from them yet) with all problems, we do have to look at it from various perspectives. Even if the worst thing happens from this site; closed (hopefully not!), financially I don’t feel loss – because at least I have received several payments but in the context of social I will lose because I will lose the opportunity to interact, express myself and share many things with friends here.
Returning to the original question, should I worry? Actually my answer is no, but we both know that we care.
I got paid on Niume a few times, but then it was gone. They stopped paying 6 months before the site closed. The original techie person that created the site, got sick. Shortly after they got sick the ad revenues nearly went away.
He died, and they closed the site.
But as Carol said in her comment – worry does us no good!
Knowing information like that might be important for users here, but I agree that worry is not good for us, and I happen to be not a fan of that group.
Tis true, we must fight for the community. We have to make sure that people understand the value of the community.
we have to band together and care!
Have we ever determined and agreed on community values?
(because that means we agree on community culture)
we have not, because that means some authors would have to be less bombastic.
Well, even there is always resistance to organizational culture, especially those whose character or interests cannot accept these values.
It is more as well that in not accepting norms many last out. The lashing out when done publically is really bad.
There are users who were not verified, that spent a lot of energy talking about how bad the verified users were.
Now they are verified, and suddenly that is a good thing.
A favor is if something is in accordance with their interests and desires.
or,
as my dad used to say
Universe this way he would point up
Center of Universe (points at the person in question).
It could be because many people have these characteristics.
or that they hide behind religion and pretend to share a kind face with the world.
It should be enough just me who behave such, other people don’t need to do it.
🙂 if the world were filled with Alberts it would be a lot easier to live!
Much better if that not happen! People will have difficulty learning about different things.
or the concept of new would disappear making it easier to learn as all things exist!
Isn’t it far better to draw wisdom from experience than from theory or mere speech?
but doesn’t experience teach us that experience only matters if it is still open to change?
Therefore people must gain experience so that a summary of the preacher experience can be changed.
that is an interesting viewpoint my friend.
As long as one site has a profit it will be alive.
After all, that is the definition in capitalism.
It all comes down to profit.
We were taught differently in socialism.
You could work in the company or hide behind another, not work.
But on the first of the month, he would get paid.
And that’s why rock and roll fell through.
And now people here have a hard time coping with a system like this, which is neither.
To conclude, if the site has articles that have been viewed and advertisements that will be paid for, it will still work.
If that starts to drop, when it comes to positive zero, the site shuts down and the owners take profits.
Maybe they’re opening a similar site.
With other owner names.
I think you know it better than I do, but to contribute to the discussion.
Thanks Doc.
you are absolutely right Robing (and thank you for sharing).
I am not sure that Virily makes enough money that they are carting off profits. My gut is it is more of a break-even make a little money.
But as one of the dear writers on this site said to me “The rules should equally to all” and as you’ve said very well, once it becomes hard to use the site, it is often something that will drive authors away.
Well to quote Oscar Wilde “it will be what it will be”
as it was it shall be!
Love that quote Robin. Spot on, it is what it is!
That is such a safe answer. It all depends.
I think my Magic 8 ball used to be a consultant. I know I used to give that answer all the time!
🙂
Another thought – will it help to promote Virily posts on social media, even if we do not get guest virils as a reward?
I have started to do this, and I do not limit myself to promoting just my own posts. If a post looks to be of general interest, I am perfectly prepared to post a link to it on Twitter. Given that I have more than 77K followers, this is bound to get a decent number of views for the post.
Incidentally, restoring some sort of reward for doing this would surely be a good idea as an incentive.
first of all, as the one that used to benefit the most (nearly the maximum 500 virils for guest views a day, I agree!!!)
Yes it would help!!!
Worrying is something I try not do, but a little concerned I would have to say.
i have to say this – you are a steady state. you are one of the biggest drivers on this site. You make a difference every day for all of us!
Wow, thank you very much for saying that Doc.
it is true. I have numbers to back that up.
So would it help or hinder Virily if we all made a point of visiting the ads that appear on Virily pages, such as this one?
it actually helps, click-through is a huge internet marketing gain.