DocAndersen
I got several good suggestions yesterday for ways we could support the admins in adding new users. I will put all three into the poll today and let people vote. As a long time IT person, I know that there are two parts to every system. The first part is the design/build/administer side. The second side is the user side. The relevance of this is that Admins understand how the system was designed and what it does. What the admins don’t always know is how users interact with the system. That is the driver and has been the driver for me, charging the improvements we would like. In recap, we’ve submitted 17 improvements to the site we all use since July 2019.
The admin team has implemented 8 of our asks so far. The last one that was implemented was removing the downvote from comments when a non-member was downvoting posts as many as 40 times. The admin team is responding to our asks. The last big asks were for communication (which we have been asking for since July 2019 and before that), removing the WTF option in emojis, and returning edit and draft functionality. The goal is to make this site more comfortable to use for all users, not anyone users. The other thing is that when I share these things, they are observations. It doesn’t matter to me if you read them and say it doesn’t matter to me, or if you read them and say yes, that is the way I want to do it.
These are my observations of the site and how it is operating. I have worked on and with some of the largest companies on the planet building IT solutions. I have redesigned how banks communicate. I have more than 30 years of experience. But, as I said, it is merely an observation of mien. You will not hurt my feelings if you ignore the comment. Because it is an observation. I work very hard to help anyone that asks for help. But I don’t help people that don’t want help. I have gotten responses from the admins a few times above the last four months. One of the things they have sent me twice is, “we are swamped. We do not have time to manage users on the site” That was sent to me four times.
The admin team isn’t going to take on new responsibilities to fix old problems.
My dad always said if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
So if you don’t like any of the three suggestions, time to get rolling! Come up with a 4th, and we will discuss it!
Vote yes for the one you like!!!
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https://virily.com/virily_poll/an-idea-that-could-be-a-way-to-add-new-authors/
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Question of
Return the referral program for new users, but the author referring vouches for the new author (and if something bad happens is responsible)!
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Yes
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No
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Replace the long (2 years) or more unused profiles with new writers.
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Yes
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Create a new author panel, new authors would submit content before joining the site.
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Yes
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No
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With 30 years of experience, you’re better suit to offer is users here on Virily with better ways to interact on the site and doing our part as users.
I vote up that users profiles that are not active for more than 2 years should be replaced with new users.
that one does seem to be the most popular – my apologies, I didn’t mean to throw out credentials to end arguments, just to point out to a couple of authors that I know what I am talking about.
I am so glad you are back I’ve missed your posts!
No apologies. Stating your credentials emphasizes the fact that the support and advice you’re offering us is something founded based on knowledge and experience.
Thank you. I’m glad to be back.
thanks that was my goal, just trying to layout credentials!
I am so glad you are back!
Q: RETURN THE REFERRAL PROGRAM FOR NEW USERS, BUT THE AUTHOR REFERRING VOUCHES FOR THE NEW AUTHOR (AND IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS IS RESPONSIBLE)!
Yes (3 votes) – 100%
Q: REPLACE THE LONG (2 YEARS) OR MORE UNUSED PROFILES WITH NEW WRITERS.
Yes (3 votes) – 100%
Q: CREATE A NEW AUTHOR PANEL, NEW AUTHORS WOULD SUBMIT CONTENT BEFORE JOINING THE SITE.
Yes (5 votes) – 100%
It’s a yes to all but how and why should I be held accountable for the actions of my referrals? It’s like two parents raising a child the best way they can but he becomes a murderer, must they be punished as well? Anyhow, your first suggestion above, is negated by the third suggestion, which shifts the accountability, responsibility, and onus to the party concerned directly and justly so. Just my observation, Doc. You are doing great, thanks, I appreciate it.👨🦽
first, the discussion is exactly what I want!
I do agree with you, my issue was can we figure out a way to get new authors onto the site. The admin team seems reluctant to take on new authors, or any level of vetting.
that was why i thought that my idea was an option. But it is not optimal i agree.
These are good ideas. We could really “clean up” a website of inactive members. The question, however, is if the new members would work.
that is always the question, my gut would be it is possible. but we would need to be careful!
You are right. We really don’t know how the new members would work. Do new members have to be confirmed by admins?
at this point no, the site opens new authors to join and they are members. Their posts have to be moderated, but that is simply checking to see if they are plagiarized.
Thank you very much for the clarification.
Three good options. I did notice a lot of traffic late yesterday. Some good some maybe not so good, members who posts ads are not so good in my opinion. We need a change quick.
i worry about those posts, they reflect on all of us.
Overall i did as well notice traffic seems we have reversed our old flow (a decline from Monday – Thursday, go up Thursday – Sunday that seems to have reversed.
I was on a site which had users vote for the work of other users and it became a few articles. This is because A,B,C decide to vote down everyone and vote up the stuff they publish. This led to crap.
Originally on Hubpages they had Hubhopping where we’d see the submissions of new writers. I was honest, but a lot of people weren’t, so it was stopped.
that is great feedback – thanks – did you pick an option you thought might work?
No. I don’t own/run a site. I also don’t know how to drive. I can tell you when you’re going over the speed limit, or the wrong way, but I really can’t tell you how to drive.
fair enough – i have managed sites like this in the past. they are hard to run
When one adopts a ‘hands off’ style, what can you expect? If I posted an Ad for my cousin’s company I would expect to have it deleted and I be warned, if not kicked off.
i don’t think they monitor content posted by verified users to be honest.
I don’t think they monitor anything because so many articles have misspellings bad grammar, and are about rubbish
they do not in moderating check spelling or grammar. They only verify that the article is not plagiarized.
that has been known about the admin team for a long time. Somebody, i don’t know who spread the rumor that the admin’s fact-checked articles.
“If it is approved it is right.” Or something like that, that isn’t true. They just verify that the article is stolen nothing else.
That comes straight from the admin team by the way that they only check for plagiarism.
Amazing… there’s an A.I. that does that… they used it on Triond … it was so funny… If you quoted something….. your article would be smacked as plagiarism.
I wrote something so bad I’m ashamed, but it was published. I took out every single fact…
they did tweek it eventually
that is hilarious and sad. I have worked with the AI several times, it learns but not very fast.
The thing that was so funny is that Triond has once actually been moderated, then, like this site, there is no moderation, just a crummy App to check for plag. And once you know that a site doesn’t have human moderation, why people can turn it into an advertising board… just posting their advertisements free…
And I know you noticed it too….
i’ve seen that a few times. My frustration right now is the people posting 5 or 6 posts with 5 or 6 lines total.
I am impressed an advertiser could so brilliantly use this site for his own benefit, while, wondering why it took Advertisers so long to figure this out.
Expect dozens of advertisers to flood this site!
Anything that can be exploited will be exploited. Scammer’s delight.
When a user finally realises there is NO MODERATION, there is no HUMAN eye which touches your work; well Scammers gonna scam.
i think, based on what happened in the past, that (scammers) is why they don’t want new users.
were you on the site when the scammer users were on as well? They left scam comments on posts all the time.
I’m not sure if I was… I do get comments which prove the person never read the article.
they cannot because the site is locked into Google Adsense.
Take a skim… there are articles which are nothing but advertisements. Don’t think Google Adsense will be happy
all of those writers have 2 years tags they have been here awhile/
I didn’t recognise some of the names… take a skim of the front page…
i love that when people comment without reading, it makes me laugh!
I keep assuming that the person is learning English, has no idea what I wrote.
i read and replied to 3 just to see, in two of my comments the author replied. We shall see. the third was an ad so I doubt they reply.
The Ad sites will invite you to invest…
well that is always special my answer would be no way!
This set of Ads concern a specific bank which, of course, the writer works for
that is not very good, i know several people are upset.
And the point is, we have to go on the site, then complain and if/when our complaint is read? If anything is done?
some of my community complaints have been read and acted on. Not all, but some.