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Will Embedding Post Hurt Virily?

There is a current argument in Virily regarding embedding posts within a post, instead of using the regular link. The issue in concern in this matter is, the embedded pages give the reader additional viril points for opening those pages as if they were opened by the reader.

Lately,  a series of posts tagged as #spotlighting started by @CarolDM, is becoming a trend within the site. These posts are focused on other members and three of their old posts are embedded.

Here is one of such posts (embedded)

Spotlighting Our Members ~ Gloridaze“>

Spotlighting Our Members ~ Gloridaze

 

The concern brought up of one of the members is,  this might be exploited that might hurt the financial flow of the site and might even cause it to fold in the future. For me, it is quite a valid concern. Getting the additional virils for the readers and (most probably) the author of the embedded posts means they get extra income even when they did not purposely open those pages… at least that will the readers would observe from their point of view.

However, I did not reply if I should be concerned with this method or not. I could not conclude right away if embedding posts instead of using ordinary links would really hurt Virily. Why? Here are some of my reasons:

  1.  I wanted to remain objective on this matter and want to investigate first before I jump to any conclusion.
  2. Virily has a unique system in distributing Virily points based on activities and not just views. And the virily points are converted into $$$ with a variable conversion factor. (Although I have observed that $1 is more or less equivalent to 1000 viril points).
  3. I don’t fully understand is the algorithm behind the advertising income to viril points.
  4. Virily admins review each post before they become visible to other members.

On the technical side, this is what happens when pages are embedded in a page.

  1. Pages are embedded via the iframe tag. Using the iframe tag is like creating a small window within a page which allows the readers to see the actual content of another page or at least a part of it without actively opening that page.
  2. Because of this iframe tag, those embedded pages would be seen by any page-counter as actually opened. Thus trigger the additional virily points.

 My other thoughts on embedding pages.

  1. The method of ‘embedding pages’ is not new in Virily. In fact, when you create a post, there is even an option to ‘Embed’ a video or other pages. Although it was just recently that this method is used to embed other pages from within Virily.
  2. Other sites allow are even encouraging it. You may have noticed, you can embed a Youtube video within any site. Thus you can watch the video even without opening the Youtube website itself.

 

Points for concern.

 

Here are at least three aspects that could be the points for concern:

 

  1. Loading the embedded pages consumes additional resources for the servers without additional income.
  2. Readers get extra viril points without opening the pages thus without loading the ads.
  3. This method could be exploited to earn extra viril points without helping the site to earn more.

My thoughts on these concerns:

  1. I don’t think that embedding a few pages would hurt the server because only the main content or just a part of it is loaded in the iframe window.
  2. The embedded pages are ‘Technically’ loaded. But I’m not sure if there will be an additional ‘hit’ for the ad that is supposed to be displayed on that page?
  3. Virily has long implemented some safety measures against abuse and exploits. Users have a daily limit for the number virils they can earn. Thanks to @tasartcraft for pointing this out.
  • Question of

    Do you think Embedding Pages would hurt Virily in the future?

    • Yes
  • Question of

    Would you embed some posts of other authors in your own post?

    • Yes
    • No
  • Question of

    Do you like CarolDM’s idea of spotlighing other members?

    • Yes
    • No

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  1. The issue really is that people have a viril limit and are focused on that. I do understand that, its why I spend less time here now.

    1. With a virily limit, embedded posts can generate more virils per visit and result in your reaching your cap quicker.
    2. There is a lot of misinformation on this topic floating around. I suspect the best thing to do is for you, as the author, take this link and send it to the admin team directly
    (support@virily.com) letting them know your concerns.

    As for embedded posts, they do not impact the stie waht-so-ever in any way.

    • The unfortunate thing when you send such e-mail or a message to the support or the editor they never answer you not giving you any information or definition on such things, almost never answering to your concerns… (that is how it happens when I ask about such things and several other people told me the same thing!)

      PS It is ok to send such e-mail to ask what are the rules about some specific issues like this one but it is not ok to send such an e-mail with your own interpretation of other people’s words… (I am saying this because of some interpretations of my words below and elsewhere)

      • The site owners are allowing these posts. It’s their site. They get to choose what appears here. The site owners get to make the rules here and members should follow their rules. I have had experience with many sites like Virily before joining Virily and THEY ALL SUCKED!! The ones that did not suck, they had to shut down for the owner’s personal reasons (death, illness, etc.)

        Just wanted to say that for the record. Carry on good people!

        • I know…, I said the same thing actually if you haven’t read it… – that admins are actually approving such posts so I guess it’s ok. I didn’t say anything against those links just the facts and possible effects if not used properly – I explained everything in my recent post about Limits so I don;t want to repeat myself…

        • The point is that if for example 3 people spotlight the same user all of them putting 3-5 embedded links in their posts that way, that could actually HURT that user because he won’t be able to RECEIVE all the Virils because of the new limit for received views and he actually loses some Virils – I explained it all in my post

      • It’s not the problem in embedded links, the problem is they are giving Virils automatically without even opening a post but who knows the admins’ intentions, maybe that is how they actually wanted it to be for some reasons – maybe to increase views actually, but who knows… – if not informed we can’t know anything!… :/

    • I believe the viril limits is there to safeguard the site from exploits. Exploits may cause them spend more on paying members than their income…

      As for sending an email to support… well I wish Natalie is still part of the support team. 😀

      • please do send it to the support team. I miss some of the folks from the past, they were more engaged at least via email.

        The reality of the site is that we have limits because of bad behavior. Over and over again the bad behavior has forced the admin team to change the site.

        • Sorry, how can you say there are limits because of bad behavior… The limits were ALWAYS there, unfortunately now, as we all see, the Viril value is lower and lower, therefore the limits are reduced probably because of that issue, and if there are Limits there is not space for “cheating”… – how can you cheat if you have a limit for opening posts, or commenting, or posting articles – btw (from you) I (actually) heard even that limit – for the number of published posts is lower now, so where is cheating in posting articles…?!?

          • There is also no logic in that and I’m wondering if that is a confirmed info or just a subjective claim – opinion, since when it comes to this problem for example, if putting embedded links which give points automatically is considered as “cheating” by some members, why are editors approving such posts then if they know it is a glitch in the system…

  2. I don’t believe Carol intentionally did spotlighting to earn not-worked for virils. I have been long here to know she doesn’t take advantage of others.
    The admins or technical team know about posting posts inside a post.
    I think the admin team will deal with the issue if earning virils for unopened posts.
    Again, people should not read spotlighted posts if they don’t intend to open the linked posts to avoid ‘stealing’ points.

    • True. The method of linking which resulted in unintentional embedding the posts may be fine with the admins. Thus the additional virils are unintentional as well… The admins surely know this by now.
      If they keep on approving such posts, then it is not hurting the site.

      • I agree with you… I noticed that in messages first and then I saw it at another user so I tried it in my posts as related posts, but I didn’t know they actually give Virils even if not opened at that time (as I also wrote in my article), and admins were approving such posts, so as you said, they obviously think that’s ok, and maybe the limit is there until they solve that “problem” or maybe they intentionally put it that way to increase views, who knows…

    • I don’t believe that too since she doesn’t earn on those links, I just said that those ARE embedded links as it is obvious when they appear and that such things can lead to exceeding the daily limits very fast if not careful… I also gave some advice on that theme in my recent posts…

  3. Thank you for your opinion on this matter. I am only copying and pasting the URL’s in my spotlight posts. We have all done this in the past. Just recently were we able to actually see the post without clicking the link. I am not using the embed feature. My posts are all done through the polls option. I do not see anything at all wrong with the posts. We are not talking thousands of points or dollars, only trying to help other members. That is all. Again, many thanks for your opinion.

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