Albert Herdianto Widjojo
My country is a mystical country. Consisting of thirty-four provinces with thousands of islands in the vast region between the continents of Asia and Australia, most of the people believe in the supernatural. Indeed, such a thing also exists in many countries and cultures, but all of it is very strong and thick here.
In today’s modern era, with technology that has been very advanced, where most people have used all components of modernity, magic, occultism, and the mystical world still has its own place. There are many regions in various provinces where the residents there are very famous for their magical abilities. Various magical abilities that can be used for various purposes such as war, killing remotely in various ways and effects, witchcraft, alluring and even binding feelings of the opposite sex, making people sleep with certain spells carried out by thieves, making the body impervious to firearms or weapons sharp, communicating with supernatural beings, married to the genie for wealth, etc.
The one that is perhaps the most popular to dates, such as Leak or Leyak and esoteric knowledge of pangleyakan, is still very fertile in Bali. While almost every island there are types and kinds of other magical powers that can be very terrible. Many people bear witness to the horrors of an inter-tribal war in the 90s on a large island here, where a tribe of migrants was slaughtered by the indigenous tribes for some reason, all – infants to old age. Even the soldiers of our armed forces, in general, are equipped with various magical powers.
Ghost? Devil? Demons? Their story is so rich here. So many types of them with various names that have been seen by people here. Even videos about the appearance of supernatural beings, being possessed – both single and mass – or anything else which comes from the cellphone cameras of social media users is quickly spreading widely here.
Indeed, not everyone can see magical things, only people with certain talents and sensitivity – including my mother and some of her children, my wife, and my daughter – can see these astral beings or people who have learned knowledge that can open his inner eyes. Some friends from abroad who previously did not believe in such things had been “introduced” for a moment with the ability to see the magical dimension until they screamed in fear before that ability is revoked again.
At the highest level, followers of mysticism or Sufism or in other names, both from certain major religions and local beliefs such as Kejawen (Old Javanese Science), etc. scattered in various circles of society. They are people who have come to the understanding or awareness of the quiddity of life even though many of them hide in the crowd.
That’s the people of my country, a mystical society in the midst of modern civilization. What about the people in your country and culture?
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Have you seen ghosts or demons?
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Users voted 16 times.
Q: HAVE YOU SEEN GHOSTS OR DEMONS?
Yes (4 votes) – 25%
No (12 votes) – 75%
Q: DO YOU HAVE THE DESIRE OR CURIOSITY TO SEE SUCH THINGS?
Yes (6 votes)
I have never paid attention to this kind of things. So interesting to know people in your country do.
Such is our cultural difference, at least attention, interest, and
involvement of this substance in the lives of people in your place and mine.
hard to get anything empirical about it…
I totally agree considering that not everyone experiences such things besides it is beyond the reach of logic.
is anything beyond the reach of logic? just because you can’t prove something doesn’t mean you haven’t reasoned it out…
Isn’t something irrational beyond the reach of logic? Aren’t there many irrational events in the world? And if events are illogical or irrational, does that mean they don’t exist?
Ah, my mind can’t stop being curious when talking about this…
just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it irrational
So, for example, I experienced something unusual and had never been experienced, say, seeing a ghost, or having experienced a paranormal event several times and I did not understand the phenomenon, then I shared those experiences with people who did not understand, never experienced, nor did they. believe in that, and of course I can’t show evidence to that person, then he says that I have boasted, my story is illogical, irrational, so there is no reason to believe my story, what do you think about this?
if you don’t have proof, then they have to take it on faith or not. but this is true of everything, not just ghosts and such
Users voted 14 times.
Q: HAVE YOU SEEN GHOSTS OR DEMONS?
Yes (4 votes) – 29%
No (10 votes) – 71%
Q: DO YOU HAVE THE DESIRE OR CURIOSITY TO SEE SUCH THINGS?
Yes (6 votes) – 43%
No (8 votes) – 57%
There is much about our world we do not understand.
Yes, Doc. Generally, we limit our world to everything we can capture with our five senses and can be analyzed by logic (which is so limited).
But if we apply logic, then we understand there is more to the world than we can measure.
In creating an artificial reality around us, we are able to keep the reality of reality away.
Logic is very necessary because without it we will fail to learn and fail to progress, but logic must also not force its own will by the paradigm that what is beyond its reach as not exist, and which even keeps us away from the reality of reality.
i prefer the greek iteration here, Ethos combing both love and logic. I believe logic helps us stabilize the reality around us.
Ya, logic helps us stabilize the reality around us, everything that falls within its reach.
it is an eternal struggle, then when you exhaust logic, should you move to other types of thinking!
I think the logic will not be exhausted, but it just hasn’t reached it. Can medieval logic reach IoT, VR/AR or other technologies that exist today? We have swum far but have not yet reached the beach, even though the beach has never shifted. If we know that even if we swim for the rest of our lives we will never reach the edge, maybe we really have to use other methods – including those we have never used – if we really want to enjoy the beach of hope.
This is an interesting discussion, Doc!
…but my apology if my tone sounds like smarty-pants.
you did not sound like smarty pants.
You raise a question that would require several posts to cover, what is the edge of logic, by age.
Well, the discussion is getting interesting! I will read all those posts, Doc.
l have to start writing them
This is the beauty of sharing and exchanging ideas; inspiring, creative and productive.
it is, I am so far behind on blogs I want to cover as it is!
The image looks scary at first. When I Iook through spiritual eyes I become more curious of other beings.
With a spiritual eye, we must understand other spirit entities and the reasons for their existence. Right, brother?
I have not seen any ghost any my life but sometime I feel something in night after 12:00 but I do not care about that because I know if Ghost is with me but he will not hurt me.
Actually they are always around us at any time, but it’s good that you don’t care about it, aren’t afraid, and have a strong belief that it won’t hurt you.
The supernatural is all around us , we need eyes to see and the spiritual strength to resists those beings. No, I am not interested in seeing evil powers but I do believe that I will see God face to face One day.
Believe that supernatural exists is important but to see it is absolutely not necessary, especially to be afraid or affected by it.
I am happy if you believe that someday you will come face to face with God, and don’t forget, the Divine is inside to meet.
In the current country I’m residing, witchcraft is so common. There are regions in Tanzania if you steal something then you’re going to experience crazy things.
There was a time one or my students was possessed by demons. She would roll on the ground till I decided to take her to my local church together with a few students. The demons were cast out and they have never bothered her again.
Very interesting, I realized that magical and all things related do exist in all parts of the world as something that exists with humans, including in many countries in Africa. Perhaps what is different is how thick such things are integral to people’s lives, especially in the era of sophisticated technology like today.
I agree, it’s a phenomenon that is in every country. For a fact, good and evil exist in this world, miracle and magic, good forces and evil ones.
You are right, my friend. The issue is that not everyone knows or believes, let alone understand. Can you imagine the effect if many people believed or saw or experience it, or used magic in daily life in many aspects of life?
Exactly if people believ d, saw or experienced it they would have a different viewpoint of such matters. But many people try to wave it off by trying to experience it from a scientific viewpoint. As long there is evil, there is always good meaning there are two conflicting forces.
The two sides with their strengths are opposite each other, the funny thing is, both of them are complementary to each other, there is no one if there is no other.
I’ve never seen a ghost or demon. I find this a very interesting topic. I like to watch TV shows, but I have no desire to meet them.
This topic often attracts attention, dear friend, even sold in various ways such as news, films, books, etc. No problem to enjoy such a program as long as we are not affected.
I have never seen a ghost or demon. I have “felt” something evil.
Yes, Trenna, in fact, we do have the potential to feel the presence of something invisible, while to be able to see it requires far greater energy.
I was a voracious reader of ghost stories when I was still at school. We used those stories to frighten each other specially when cousins came for a sleep over.
I have never seen any ghosts and nor do I believein them. If they do exist then I wonder why scientists do not spend time over them.
Who does your wife encounter?
Here we are different, I would rather see ghosts than read or watch ghost stories, horror, and the like… Hahaha…
You don’t have to believe if you don’t want to believe it, and that’s better. It’s far better to believe that we ourselves are actually supernatural beings as well.
My wife has had encounters with various astral creatures, and for sure 80% she’s scared! Beyond that, she can watch what & who other people are like watching TV when she meeting or hearing someone’s voice.
I also sometimes wonder if there is life after death.
Very well, let’s start with what we have learned in school, about the law of conservation of energy, don’t we as humans also consist of a collection of energy, both physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual?
I have no experience with these ghosts and supernatural beings so I find it hard to believe, dear Albert … but I watched TV shows like that and I don’t know what to say …. there is probably something about it
You don’t have to believe if you don’t want to, dear friend. It is very understandable if people do not believe in what can not be seen with the naked eye.
What kind of TV shows do you watch, dear Lado?
I watch a lot of National Geographic, I have quite a few of them on the Discovey Channel, History Channel, and I could still list … and on one of those I watched ghosts and how they were being expelled … but I was interested in something – I was looking at how they were healing you rious diseases … if that were true we would have species and be the richest people in the world
Apparently, we like the same channel to watch, dear friend.
Everything you mentioned is around me, unfortunately, I don’t understand what you mean by “we would have species”, but if you become rich because of supernatural things, or agreements with supernatural beings, it happens a lot here…
I was thinking of those gurus who cure different ailments … if that were really the richest people in the world
Yes, besides the medical world, there are many shamans, healers, etc. in various ways of treatment or healing that help people lift their illness. Many of those who are commercial are quite wealthy, there are also some who do not set a tariff but receive whatever money is given to them, but who are completely sincere do not even want to receive payments. But people also have to be careful because not a few are also just con artists, even rapists of their patients.
There are dishonest people everywhere … you have doctors like that in us … in quotes
Yes, dear friend. Indeed, within us, there is the potential to become a healer, whether for ourselves and maybe also for others.
I think, your family members are gifted. I do believe in ghosts but have never seen them.
I think so too, the problem is, not everyone has courage. My wife and my eldest daughter still often feel scared even though seeing things like that are often and that’s different from my mother who was never afraid of such things.
It takes a lot of energy to look bravely. Are you ready if someday you see them?
I have seen and felt presence Albert. I cannot fully explain it and it doesn’t make sense to many, but I know what I felt. A few times the presence was angelic, other times not so good. An evil presence was felt.
Great! Your sensitivity continues to increase, Carol.
You do not need to talk about such things there are people who do not believe.
Feeling, or later seeing angels is a certain level, and when that happens you will be far better prepared to understand the non-physical reality.
Whoever you feel a presence, never show fear because it will use up your energy. Always ready, alert, and full of confidence based on compassion will help you greatly in that regard.
Yes it does, and I embrace both the good and the evil. I try my best to keep an open mind.
Your attitude and readiness are very good, Carol. Just continue your sincerity in silence, the miracle will surely come.
It seems our countries have something in common. Many people here still believe in ghouls, ghosts, the supernatural, witches, elementals, and the likes.
Some may hold true, some are mere superstitious beliefs.
Good. post
I think fellow Southeast Asians have similarities in many ways, John. Also, there is always true and superstitious, or there are those who really see or are just afraid of their own imagination.
This sounds like a gift and a curse at the same time.
You could say that, Ellie. There are many extreme poles here that contradict each other, black magic and white magic, common sense vs. occult, normal vs. paranormal, good vs. evil, physics and metaphysics, religion vs. polytheism, etc. which is essentially an eternal war between the two poles but complement each other at the same time.