Dawn
After a reading a few articles on Virily about Duplication, I decided I would express my views and observation on the subject. Let me make it clear right at the start that these are my honest observation and views and not written to support or pull up anyone.
There are a few article writing sites that allow for editing. Hubpages is one of those. You are allowed to edit your content and the editors have a look at it to ensure that members do not play the system. Here editing content is actually encouraged to help you keep your content remain updated and useful for the users and to make your content Search engine optimized. However the edited content is neither treated as new content nor does it get the benefits of new content.
Interestingly on another site called Medium allows editing of content. This is mainly to ensure that the latest information is added to the article. For example when you write about let us say ‘how to earn in virily” and there have been many changes in the site during the time, the articles which is published is false/outdated from the present point of view. So the changes that are made to each paragraph are done in bold to ensure that the user view the old content and the new information.
Editing of posts/articles however helps avoid another another kind of duplication, that is duplication of articles appearing in the searches made via search engines. But as far as posts in Viriliy are concerned I am not sure if it really helps. Majority of the posts here are neither educative or news styled articles. I may be wrong in my observation, but I say this from what I have observed so far.
In Virily these posts just grab the lime light and run away with views, I maybe wrong about this too, but this is what I I have observed thus far.
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I like the fact that we can edit our posts here ( only verified users I think) but it would help if Virily ensures that these posts do not get extra mileage
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What are your views? Would you tell me in the comments?
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editing is tricky- you can easily misrepresent someone that way
I agree with you 100%. I have only needed to edit a few posts since Virily started. I will not bring old posts up and edit them, because of the problems Doc listed. If I do make a new post and notice a mistake I will edit them.
That makes sense to me Kim. We need to edit the mistakes. Hopefully Virily team will sort this out.
I advocated for editing our posts for many reasons and you cover them well.
1. we need to be able to fix errors in posts.
2. overall since views are WAY down we as a community have to do something.
I think we are on the same page. I agree that edited posts should not gain the benefits of being a new post, but I also think, they should start at zero if that makes sense.
The value on Virily contrary to what has been said on the site is being on one of the two lists. When you make most commented (and it isn’t an edited post) you game between 30 and 40 views and a number of additional comments.
It’s natural on a site to pick something that is clearly there. It sits on the right side of the posts you read, of course you are going to pick it!
There are 100 reasons why to edit posts and I think everyone should once this initial issue gets resolved.
Well put!
I am glad we are on the same page Doc, there are a couple of things I need to ask you..
1)what do you mean by this
“The value on Virily contrary to what has been said on the site is being on one of the two lists. ”
2) what can we do as a community to help the views go up for Virily as a site.
I thought that this being the Christmas season things are slowing down here.. isn’t that possible?
1. being on the trending list or the most commented lists actually increases the rate of posts views and comments! Those lists really help a post go more viral ont he site.
2. sadly no, last year during the holiday’s views on Virily went way up! This year they are way down since early November. A lot!
Good luck with the storm of comments!
I get it now. I agree with you totally on point number one. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I think the fire has died down now.
I only hope that Virily will set this one thing right.
i do as well.
i suspect the reality is they will not.
But I do support you and your position!!!!
That wouldn’t be fair really!!
I am not an expert on duplicated posts but if it is what people want you should go for it.
Edited posts are not duplicated, they are edited, that is about it. That is not even being questioned , I am only worried about the fairness of it all and how it will affect the site and the community here. They really grab visual space and don’t give new posts a chance.
It is not about blaming people ( not a individualistic thing) it is about the problem the site has overlooked while adding this very desirable feature – the unfair attention to older posts. Take the me and them out of the equation and the discussion would become objective.
Its true people will have their own opinion about everything and they have a right to. Also there are ways of solving problems. It gets difficult if the objectivity is lost. I only hope that virily will see the whole thing in the right light and do what is right for the community.
I understand that there is a limit to how many posts you can submit in a day, but I have no idea what this is. Perhaps the limit is too high?
I know of sites where activity is limited by how much you can do within a set time period of less than a day. If – say – you could only posts two pieces within a six-hour time slot (but most more when this time had elapsed), this would leave plenty of room for other people to get their pieces seen without being swamped by somebody who posted six pieces in an hour.
I agree with the editing although for me I only edit when there is an added information.
I believe it is fine to edit, but editing should not lead to getting an unfair edge over fresh posts.
What I do not like is when edited posts get to the most commented/trending slots leaving behind fresh posts that have several comments and views.
That is my view too, don’t give the edited posts extra advantage. I would like to keep the editing option sans the trimmings.
I edit immediately I publish them as it is only at that time I see howlers specially spellings. I correct those errors and that’s it. I do not read those edited posts as I doubt if I get paid to do that and nor would those that edit them get paid when they are viewed again.
Editing immediately doesn’t have the same effect as those posts that have been lying around for years.
But as Ellie mentioned it is silly to have galleries without pictures , you really need to edit them, but Virily need to ensure that they don’t get the visibility fresh posts need.
Higher visibility leads to more views and comments.
I doubt if I have ever gone back to check if images from my old posts have disappeared That will be a long drawn process to have them reinstated. Forget about it, I say (lol)
Agreed , the problem is not with you, you are using a feature that is available. The problem lies in the extra visibility the posts gets which seems unfair.
I think editing should only be taken as far as to make the content you have posted without errors and looking professional.
What about the post being treated like a new one and gaining extra attention?
That is something different and could be looked at as duplicate content brought out again. However, it is a difficult question because the content that has been edited and has been posted as new again might have been sitting around for a very long time so it has added content and photos and could be now looked at as new content. The more I write and think about it the more I get confused.
Would this question help – Is this fair or unfair? Look at it in the light of earnings – those who have to keep churning out new content and keep working hard to earn while others earn more from older posts.
You could be right, I don’t claim to know it all or have all the information. However, this discussion isn’t about you alone or anyone in particular.
I have no opinion because I don’t even understand what it is, my dear friend … so much has already been written that I don’t even know anymore
I guess that could happen when something goes over board. I understand.
The number one reason why we needed to edit our posts so badly here on Virily, is because all the photos in older posts have disappeared. A photo gallery without photos doesn’t look good.
I understand how people can take advantage of the editing option, and that’s unfortunate, but in whatever situation, those who want “to play the system” will find a way to do it.
You make a valid point here Ellie925. We need the editing option. I am clear about that for various reasons, then older pictures being one of them. A gallery would look silly without pictures. that is so true.
I am sure Virily can ensure that the edited posts don’t get that unfair advantage. There must be a way to do that.
I agree unscrupulous people will always find a way to play the system which the editorial team need to be vigilant about and we as a community can help them along.
To tell the truth, I didn’t even think about it. This is because I have no intention of editing old posts.
I didn’t either until I saw the same posts being showing right up over and over again in the trending and hot sections, gaining more visibility.
Please note that this is a common issue and not related to any one person.
It is a Virily issue which is why I compared the same feature and how it is used on other sites.
Let us think about the interest of the site and our common interest when we discuss this issue.
Good information here , thanks for sharing
What is your opinion on this?
The important thing is that people don’t game the system and gain an unfair advantage by simply reproducing all their old stuff and carrying forward all the previous comments.
There may, however, be some value in old posts getting a new lease of life, especially if an issue has returned to public view and a new discussion would be appropriate.
If it were possible – and it might not be – I would to see a limit on the proportion of text that could be repeated. For example – no more than 50% of the original text can appear in the new post.
However, this would not work in the case of genuine editing of posts to correct errors, where only a few changes might be made. Perhaps there could be time limit on this form of editing.
I would also like all the old comments to be stripped away, so that the post started from scratch – which is what I think you are calling for.
I agree with completely with you on all points. Gaming the system is something Virily as an earning site should keep in mind while making any changes. I think they should find a way to stop edited posts from getting the unfair attention they get now.
No worries you have stated your point and I have stated mine. Cheers.
You are right why the editing feature on sites such as Hubpages and Medium including Vocal Media is encouraged and the benefits derived from updating the published content. Most of the posts on Virily don’t require editing because they are very short. However, it does not hurt correcting some spelling mistakes. Some of my posts contain lists of facts which some need correcting and others to be deleted.
Thank you for validating the information I posted here. I would surely love to correct the typos and the errors I’ve made/overlooked in my post. The only problem with an edited post being treated as a new posts on a site where earning is by views and comments changes the equation.
It is not about good or bad or who is right or wrong. I am only discussing editing a post in comparison with other sites and how this works, and what its impact could be on Virily .
When edited post is published as a new post (and the older one remains) instead of replacing the old one with updated content/correction, then it is easy to abuse this feature. I think it will be better when they correct it. I have not yet started editing my longer posts.
I just hope that they will make the needed changes. People do find ways of abusing the system so I guess even when or if this problem is corrected they would still find another means to play the system.